- If the "principle" of tithing really works the way most (Pentecostal/charismatic) churches teach that it does, then how could a person who has followed the principle faithfully for decades still struggle just to make it with basic needs month to month, sometimes not even being able to afford those basic necessities (food, lace to live, heat in winter, etc.)? Aren't they supposed to be blessed with "more than they can contain"(Malachi 3)? Either God's blessings aren't good enough, or there's something wrong with that teaching.
- Likewise, how could a person who does not follow the principle have everything that they need and more every month? According to the "principle", aren't they supposed to be under a curse (Malachi 3)? Either that curse isn't strong enough, or there's something wrong with that teaching.
- I work for an insurance company. When they pay me every two weeks, they do not require me to give them 10% of my paycheck (aside from deductions for taxes, insurance premiums, 401(k), etc.). However, this is often the case in institutional churches who have paid staff members and teach the tithing "principle"-they require their paid staff to give back 10% of their paycheck. What a great arrangement. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Many times church staff members don't even get paid enough to live on, yet they are still required to pay their 10%. So, many times they and their families have to do without things they need, or fall behind on monthly bills, so that they can pay this 10% and not risk losing their jobs. Something's just not right with that.
Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Some Thoughts about Tithing
Thursday, November 12, 2009
Raised in Church
Sometimes it frustrates me, but mostly it just challenges me to examine everything and subject it to the Spirit, which God gave to each of us as believers to "guide us into all truth."
Has this happened to you? What are some of those things that you have discovered?
Thursday, November 05, 2009
Know that you are in good company...
I just read this passage this morning. I've read it before, though not in this version, and it was encouraging to me. I've been struggling with speaking things on my heart at the risk of disrupting relationships and "disturbing the peace." Can anyone else identify with this?
Thursday, October 01, 2009
I'm A Recovering Poisonous Preacher
"The underlying foundation of all religion is performance, whether it's a tribal dance around a campfire to satisfy the fire god or a dead religious activity performed week after week by an evangelical Christian with the intent of impressing his God. It's all religious performance and God isn't impressed by our performance. What impresses Him is faith. 'Without faith it is impossible to please Him' (Hebrews 11:6). He couldn't care less about religious ritual void of life. God is in the business of Life. Nothing else interests Him. He is interested in living relationships, not dead religion."
The author references 2 Kings 4:38-41, and likens the story of Elisha's servant mixing fruit of a wild vine in with the stew to someone taking "the liberating gospel of God’s grace and mixed the wild gourds of religious performance in the same pot with it." He goes on to say,
"The idea of religious performance is a wild plant which poisons the grace of God and causes it to cease to be edible, although I did eat and serve it to my church for many years. The tragedy of this kind of poison is that it won't kill you, but will be just toxic enough to keep you sick for the rest of your life."
This blog hit home with me, as I used to do the same thing. I used to preach grace on one hand, but stress the things we had to continually do to "be a good Christian". I judged others based on their religious performance, and made decisions on whether people were good enough to be involved with certain ministries, or "be on stage", based on how well they lived up to what I, or my pastor, our our denomination, thought were God's standards.
I used fear and manipulation, disguised as "illustrated sermons", to dole out this witch's brew of grace and performance. I had no idea what I was doing at first. I truly believed that I was merely trying to help people have a better relationship with God, and to keep things pure so that God's presence was not stifled or quenched because of unrepented "sin in the camp". But as more and more people got hurt or left altogether because of what I, or the pastor(s), or the church had done, I began to question if what we were doing really had anything to do with God's love at all, or if it was really more about control. The desire for others to conform to OUR image, not God's.
More than anything else, this is what I regret about my time spent in "ministry"- that I was so ignorant, and arrogant, that I truly couldn't see that I was hurting people in my zeal to save them. I've made some really bad choices in my life, but for some reason I really have trouble letting go of the guilt from this.
If any of those I've hurt are reading this now, please know that I am very sorry.
Monday, September 21, 2009
God and Socialism
Now for something I was thinking about last week. In today's political world, the word "socialism" gets thrown around a lot. Whenever it is mentioned, I've noticed a couple of things. 1.) A lot of people don't really know what "socialism" really means, and so perhaps because of that, 2.) a lot of people seem to have a real fear of anything that seems like "socialism", or perhaps more accurately, anything that their leaders or congressmen or NPR labels as such.
Taking that last point even further, I've noticed that there seems to be this ingrained fear in Americans, especially white, Republican, fundamentalist Christian Americans, that people are going to get things that they did not work for, earn, and do not deserve.
While I understand the concerns, I can't help but be thankful that God doesn't share this same fear. After all, isn't that at the heart of the gospel? He sent Jesus to die so that we could have something that we don't have to work for or earn, and that we definitely don't deserve.
That's all. Just thinking.
Friday, August 28, 2009
Law Enforcement
Sunday, August 23, 2009
New Voice of the Heretics Podcast
Monday, August 17, 2009
Much Too Exciting...
Ok if you're still reading I assume you will find this story humorous. If you ignored the warning above, and you are somehow offended or angered by this post, please don't comment.
We were eating dinner this ebening and I decided to ask Jaxson about church. Our conversation proceeded as follows:
Me: "Jaxson, would you like to go to church sometime?"
Jaxson: "No, I already went. With my Nana."
Me: "Oh you went that time with Nana?"
Jaxson: "Yeah, I already went."
Me: (chuckling) "So once was enough for you, huh?"
Jaxson: (frowning)"Yeah, it was too exciting."
That last line of his was an Imagination Movers reference. I have no idea what he was thinking, if he really thought it was too exciting or not, but my wife and I laughed out loud for a good while. It was too funny.
Monday, July 27, 2009
New Podcast
First up, let me tell you about a new podcats I recently became a part of. It's called The Voice of the Heretics, and you can find it at TheHeresy.net(or here). Hopefully soon it will also be available on iTunes. My firend Kameron has done a great job of putting together the site, as well as organizing, hosting, and producing the podcast, all on a shoe-string budget, so head on over to the site and give him some love. There's a forum, chat room, articles, blogs, list of recommended reading, and lots more, not to mention the podcast, which is th reason for the website in the first place. We are not professional in any way, but I think the first podcast, in which a few of us tell part of our stories, turned out pretty good. It was a lot of fun.
Next, I have decided that I'll probably stay away from posting controversial thoughts via my FB status. But that means that my blog will probably be more active with such posts. I've also decided that I'm not going to really respond to comments, whether I feel the need to or not. Sometimes it just gets out of hand, I think mostly because of my selfish need to be understood. When people post comments that I feel completely miss the point, or that demonstrate to me a lack of understanding me personally or where I'm coming from, I'll no longer respond to clarify anything. I don't want to be seen as argumentative, because that is not my intention or desire. I merely want to share thoughts in the hopes that others who may be thinking the same things would read them and know that they are not alone, that they are not crazy for thinking these things, and that it is ok to ask questions. God can handle it.
So if you comment on one of my blogs, I reserve the right to respond or not. If I don't respond to you, please don't assume that I either agree or don't agree with what you said. I also reserve the right to delete any comments that I see as being argumentative or demeaning to any others. It's my blog, and I can say what I want- so if you don't like what I have to say, please just move on and refrain from attacking me or any others who post here. I'm just trying to work out my salvation. Sometimes I'll get it right, and sometimes I won't, but ultimately every person is accountable only to God for their beliefs. I dont' wish to force my own beliefs onto others, so please don't try to force yours on me.
So let me just say this: I AM NOT AGAINST PEOPLE GOING TO CHURCH. To me, it doesn't really matter. If that works for you, great! If it doesn't work for you, find something that does! What I AM against is the system of religious obligation, that tells us that we have to do extra things to earn God's approval, favor, or love. I labored too long under that system and it is only now that I am outside it that I can see it for what it really was. I can also see that even though I am outside of that system, some of that system is still inside me. So I am constantly evaluating myself, to find what it is about me that has the fragrance of Father and what just stinks.
My desire is to free people from that system and the lies that religion tells about God. If that means that I upset some religious people along the way, then so be it. I get told constantly that Christ is our example, and we need to strive to be more like Jesus. If that's really true, we should be upsetting religious people, because Jesus did it all the time, and called them on the carpet for their religiosity. How many religious people have you offended lately? I do it at least on a weekly basis.
Well I'll sign off for now, thought I have much more to say. I'm working on a blog called " I Was a Christian Douchebag", which some of you hopefully will relate to, bu which will also probably offend some of you too, even though it is not meant to. I'll have a blog soon posting the rest of my "I've always been uncomfortable" list, along with some additions that other people sent me, mostly from Twitter(they didn't crucify me there). But probably before both of those I plan to post a blog talking about, as Wayne Jacobsen says, Christians "shoulding" on themselves and others. I've noticed, even among some "free-believers", that there are so many lists of "shoulds" and "should nots"- and this is just the kind of thing we're trying to free people from, and really hat Jesus came to free us from.
So until next time, love God, and love people, because everything else hangs on those two things.
Thursday, July 02, 2009
Things I've Learned This Week
- It makes some people uncomfortable when you start questioning things and talking about things that make you uncomfortable.
- Some people automatically assume that just because you don't come to the same conclusions as them, that you need to read the Scriptures more.
- Some people assume that just because you stopped attending weekly religious services, that you either a) were hurt and/or offended, b) are backslidden, or c) got burnt out.
- It doesn't matter what you say to these people, they will still hold on to these assumptions, and use them to dismiss what you have to say, because you make them uncomfortable (see #1).
- Some people still think that the USA is now, or was at some time in the past, a Christian nation. England was a Christian nation, ruled by the church, and we overthrew that rule to found a nation NOT on Christianity, but on the freedom of religion, so that everyone was free to practice whatever they believed, whether Christian or not.
- Charlie Chaplin's remains were once stolen and held for ransom.
Thursday, April 23, 2009
This is only a test...
Wednesday, April 08, 2009
Coming Out
No, not THAT kind of coming out. But I got your attention, didn't I?
There's actually a couple of different ways you could take the title of this blog. It could either mean me "coming out" about what we've really been doing the past year and a half, or it could be a reference to us "coming out" of the institutional church system. I'll explain that in a moment.
I've been promising this blog for several weeks, and I haven't delivered yet because, quite honestly, it's been difficult to write. I've started it several times and haven't been happy with it. I'm just not that eloquent at writing; I feel more at ease talking face to face with people about what I feel and believe, even though I'm even worse at speaking than I am at writing. I just feel that I'm better able to express things in a personal setting.
Anyway, I know that once this is out there, there are going to be many people that, at best, quietly disagree with me, and at worst, out and out stop associating with me/us because of the path we've chosen. And though I've always been a bit of a rebel, I still always fear rejection. It's one of those flaws Father hasn't seen fit to work out just yet.
So here goes. About a year and a half ago, my wife and I resigned our leadership positions and stopped attending the faith community we had been a part of for almost 9 years. For no other reason than we knew Father wanted us to. We knew he was taking us on a path that did not allow us to remain where we were. We still don't know where that path will ultimately lead us(do any of us really know?), but we do know where it has led up to this point. We actually began down this road three to four years ago, and it finally began to diverge about 2 years ago.
So what am I trying to say?(Yes, I ramble too much.) This path that Father placed us on has not led us to attend weekly meetings at another faith community. Rather, it has led us to exit the institutional church system. This may sound like silly language to you, and I apologize. I'm trying to put it into the best words I can. You might ask, "Why don't you just say you left the church?" or "Why don't you just tell us you don't go to church anymore?" My answer is that I don't feel those are accurate statements. See, I don't think I can go to, or leave, something that I am. I believe the "church" is not a building you go to or a meeting you attend, but the collective Body of Christ. And just because you stop attending a weekly gathering or don't consider yourself a member of an institution doesn't mean you are not a part of the Body of Christ, if you are a believer.
So, again, what am I saying? Plainly put, our family no longer attends weekly meetings, or "church services", as they are commonly known, nor do we have plans to. Does that mean we are not open to attending a gathering if Father places it upon our heart to do so? Absolutely not! The whole point is that we are following Him where He leads us, and if He leads us to a meeting on Sunday morning, we will be there!
Does this mean we got hurt by church? Absolutely not! Nothing could be further from the truth. We left on good terms; in fact, much better than most who find themselves in our situation. Does this mean we are backsliding? No, that's just silly. Does it mean we don't love God or Jesus as much as people who attend a weekly gathering? No way! If anything, we are growing even more in our relationship with Father- I truly believe that "church" had become a major obstacle in my relationship with Him. It had become a substitute, if you will. And I didn't even realize it. I am still learning how to relate to Father outside of the programs and packaging of the institution, but for me it has been such a refreshing time!
Does this mean I am against institutional expressions of Christianity? No! God has done and will continue to use that system to do great things and work in people. But let's be honest with ourselves- it is a man-made system. You won’t find much of what goes on in modern-day Christianity described in the stories of the New Testament Church. And I'm not talking about guitars, rock music, projector screens, fog and lights. Those things are just cultural expressions. I'm talking about things that are generally accepted as "the way" Jesus intended it to be- meeting in huge expensive buildings, ministry relegated to a few select men (or one man), rather than shared by the entire body, believers learning from one person week after week, instead of every believer learning from the sharing and experieces of every other believer, the hierarchy of pastors vs. lay people, tithing, etc, etc, etc. Many of the things we accept as part of Biblical Christianity today just can't be supported by a contextual reading of Scripture, including the supposed requirement that Christians attend a weekly "worship service".
Yes, I can hear you all throwing Hebrews 10:25 at me. Ok, so let's briefly look at it again. Different versions say it differnet ways, but isn't the context really saying don't stop meeting with each other to encourage each other and spur one another on to acts of love and good works? I just don't get how anyone could insist that Paul was referring to meeting every Sunday morning, Saturday night, or whenever you do it, and listening to a worship band and one person give their interpretation of the Scriptures. The context of this verse screams, "RELATIONSHIP!" To me, any time I am with other believers, whether it is 1 or 100, we are fulfilling Hebrews 10:25. Didn't Jesus say that wherever two or three are gathered in His name, He is there? And if we ARE the church, then anywhere two or more are together, that's a "church meeting", whether it's in a building set aside for that purpose, a coffee shop, a living room, a karate dojo, a fishing boat, or an office break room. If church is something we are, and not something we go to, then wherever we are, that's where the church is! If we have a few friends over to our house, and we share a meal, play cards, and share a little of what Father is showing us, that's Hebrews 10:25 in action! If we attend a weekly meeting and encourage each other in our faith, that's Heb. 10:25! If we attend a bible study at a coffee shop, that's Heb. 10:25 as well. The important thing is relationship- horizontally and vertically. Relationship is the whole point of Scripture. Jesus said it best when he was asked to name the greatest commandment- “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength”. And the second greatest commandment is like it- love your neighbor as yourself. He said everything in Scripture could be summed up in these two commandments(Matt. 22:37-40).
It is clear to me that Father is shaking up the organizational structure of the church. There is a rapidly growing segment of Christianity that doesn't attend regular meetings or consider itself part of a conventional church. Read some of George Barna's recent research(also here) if you don't think this is true. But that doesn't mean one expression of Christianity is any better than the other- though one may work better for one person than for another. I heard a good quote recently- God is far more interested in the contents than the container and those contents do not need a structure to keep them together.
So what's the bottom line? Father has led my family and I outside of the four walls of institutional Christianity. We don't attend meetings at a conventional "church", though we do meet occasionally, informally, and often spontaneously, with other believers to fellowship and share what Father is doing. We try each day to follow His leading. We do what we know he wants us to do, and we don't do what we don't know to do. We give of our resources, financial and otherwise, as we feel Him leading us. We try to love others as He loves us.
And as easy as it was for us to get out of the system, it is harder to get the system out of us- the institutional mindset. That has probably been the hardest part for me. But Father is working on that. And through this whole journey, which I'm sure will be a life-long process, He is doing amazing things in our lives, and revealing amazing things to us. I've never been happier in my relationship with Him, though I know I've got a long way to go. Ironically, I've never sensed myself as much in his will as I do now. And probably most importantly, I've never felt as loved by Him as I do now, nor loved Him as much- though I know his love for me has never changed no matter what I’ve done. And I think that's what it boils down to- once we truly learn to live as though we're really loved, it changes everything. When I recognize something in my life that is off, I ask, "Father, what is it about your love for me that I am not understaning or trusting, that is causing this behaviour in me?" I think all sin stems from not comprehending the love of God for us. We know it in our head, but do we really grasp it with our spirit? Eve sinned because she didn't trust God's love for her enough to know that the commandment to not eat that fruit was really for her own good. She didn't trust His love enough to know that he had her best interest at heart. Things change when you begin to understand His love for you- that was what began the paradigm shift for me, and I'm still just beginning to understand it. It's another one of those life-long journeys I'm sure.
But I'll stop now, this is way too long and it's far too late and I'm beginning to really ramble. I could blog all night about the misunderstandings we have about Father's love, and how it has been changing my life dramatically the past couple of years, but I think I'll shut it down now. Please feel free to comment, whether positive or negative. You won't hurt my feelings. I have just about overcome the needs to convince others I am right. My beliefs are just that- beliefs. They are founded on faith, and my current understanding of Scripture and Father's character and love for me. But because I am human, I know I don't have everything right and won't get it all right until He makes everything whole again. So because of that, I am open to discussion with anyone and everyone about their beliefs, as long as you understand your beliefs are just beliefs too. If something I said doesn't make sense to you, chances are I just didn't do a good job of explaining my thoughts. Please ask questions and I'll try again! Don't just jump to conclusions about what you think I said. I can't tell you how many times people have misunderstood something I said or wrote. So again, feel free to comment! It's about relationships!
If you'd like, here is a great article entitled "Why I Don't Go To Church Anymore" that echoes my beliefs and answers many questions people may have about my perceived backslidden state :)
Thursday, February 19, 2009
Buy Beer with Your Tithe Money
Here's a verse you're not gonna hear on Sunday morning:
“Be sure to save one-tenth of all your crops each year. Take it to the place the Lord your God will choose where he is to be worshiped. There, where you will be together with the Lord, eat the tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and eat the animals born first to your herds and flocks. Do this so that you will learn to respect the Lord your God always. But if the place the Lord will choose to be worshiped is too far away and he has blessed you so much you cannot carry a tenth, exchange your one-tenth for silver. Then take the silver with you to the place the Lord your God shall choose. Use the silver to buy anything you wish—cattle, sheep, wine, beer, or anything you wish. Then you and your family will eat and celebrate there before the Lord your God. Do not forget the Levites in your town, because they have no land of their own among you.” Deut. 14:22-27, NCV
I actually never knew this verse existed until just a couple of years ago. How does that verse fit in with modern-day teachings of the tithe and first fruits? Put simply, it doesn’t. The only two explanations for this are that either we are not being taught everything we need to know about the tithe(the Law actually commands around 33% giving, not just 10%), or, as I believe, Christians are not obligated to “tithe” any longer, as we are now living under the New Covenant.
I’m sure some people I know get tired of hearing me talk about tithing. So why do I keep talking about it? Because I can never explain the relief I felt when Father showed me I had been laboring under the misconception that Christians living under the New Covenant are obligated to tithe. It felt as if the weight of the world had been lifted from my shoulders. Now I knew God was taking care of me because he loves me, not because he was obligated as a result of me pushing the right buttons and following all the rules.
But don’t take my word for it. Study it for yourself. There are many good resources out there for studying the original purpose of the tithe and what it really meant for
Well, this ended up being longer than I intended but I hope this marks a return for me to more regular blogging. I don’t consider myself a writer of even average competence, so it is just my intention to blog my thoughts, however unpolished and disjointed they may seem. And I’m always interested in what you, dear readers, have to say!
